Game Design

Re: Usage of upcoming Scene It! controller

TerminusIII — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:35:45 GMT

Catalin Zima:
I know this is external to the XNA team, but is there a place on Connect that is read by the appropriate people, so we can go there and request Windows drivers for this thing?

I have just purchased this "Scene It!" game and found that its "Big Button" IR controllers doesnt install automatically on Windows Vista.

Is there any progress with Windows drivers ? It would be fun to use these also in Windows game development.

Re: Usage of upcoming Scene It! controller

Shawn Hargreaves — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:27:21 GMT

That's exactly how it works.

Re: Usage of upcoming Scene It! controller

Catalin Zima — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:09:49 GMT

Jim Perry:
How could they be a single Gamepad?!?

Simple. Both the Green Big Button Pad and my normal gamepad correspond to Player 1

The Red Big Button Pad and my second gamepad correspond to Player 2.

So they act together as the gamepad for the respective player. I believe it would be wise to get a single GamePadState, with the combined state of the two devices, because that's how it seems to work right now. (If I play SceneIt, I can answer a question (ABXY) both with the Big Button Pad and the corresponding Gamepad at the same time, resulting in the possibility of "cooperative play" for up to 8 people (4 teams of two people))

Re: Usage of upcoming Scene It! controller

Jim Perry — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:47:50 GMT

How could they be a single Gamepad?!?

Re: Usage of upcoming Scene It! controller

Catalin Zima — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:36:44 GMT

Shawn Hargreaves:
We added a new BigButton button.

And besides this, when using both the gamepad and the Big Button pad at the same time, they'll be available as a single GamePad, right?

(I mean pressing A on the gamepad and B on the BigButtonPad will result in a single GamePadState with A and B pressed ?)

Re: Usage of upcoming Scene It! controller

Shawn Hargreaves — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:25:05 GMT

Catalin Zima:
I know this is external to the XNA team, but is there a place on Connect that is read by the appropriate people, so we can go there and request Windows drivers for this thing?

The Game Studio Connect site is the right place to request this. Even though the actual work needs to happen in code owned by a different team, if the limitation shows up in our product, you should report it to us. It's then up to us to act as customer advocates and go explain to whatever other team(s) why any given problem matters and why they should fix it for us. I know this may not always be visible from outside, but we actually do a lot of this kind of cross team engagement - there are several other groups in Xbox that are getting pretty fed up of seeing meeting requests from us with titles like "just want to get together to chat about the possibilities of exposing XXX for community developers" :-)

So you shouldn't have to worry about what team owns a given piece of code. If you're using XNA GS, and have a problem, report it to us and we'll figure out who to pass that on to.

Catalin Zima:
And one more question. What does the buzzer map to? I know it maps to the dpad when the edges are pressed, but what does the central button map to?

We added a new BigButton button.

Re: Usage of upcoming Scene It! controller

Catalin Zima — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:53:40 GMT

Shawn Hargreaves:
The BigButton pad is supported on Xbox in v3. Not on Windows though.

Great. Good to know. Now I can design Community Games with the Big Button pad in mind.

I know this is external to the XNA team, but is there a place on Connect that is read by the appropriate people, so we can go there and request Windows drivers for this thing?

And one more question. What does the buzzer map to? I know it maps to the dpad when the edges are pressed, but what does the central button map to?

Re: Usage of upcoming Scene It! controller

The ZMan — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:32:06 GMT

Shawn Hargreaves:
The BigButton pad is supported on Xbox in v3. Not on Windows though.

Don't you mean

The BigButton pad is supported on Xbox in v3*

*Not on Windows though becuase the XInput team don't really mean compatible on windows and xbox

Re: Usage of upcoming Scene It! controller

Shawn Hargreaves — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:18:26 GMT

The BigButton pad is supported on Xbox in v3. Not on Windows though.

Re: Usage of upcoming Scene It! controller

The ZMan — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:11:31 GMT

I'm not pissed... I want to know too. In fact I b*tched about this at the MVP summit too becuase I'm fed up of 'Xinput is a standard and works on PC and 360' having a little * next to it

* (except the big button controller which uses IR to bring prices down and the text input pad which we just decided not to write a driver for)

Re: Usage of upcoming Scene It! controller

Catalin Zima — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:37:48 GMT

Shawn Hargreaves:

Patrick:

Now that GSE 2.0 is out, can you confirm that Scene It! controllers are not supported?

They are not.

I'm really sorry for bringing up such a old dead thread, and ZMan will probably be pissed at me, because I should know better than to ask about features in the forum, but I really need to know:

Will the Scene It! Big Button Pad be supported in 3.0, for the Xbox 360 ?

Re: Usage of upcoming Scene It! controller

Shawn Hargreaves — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:24:18 GMT

Patrick:
Now that GSE 2.0 is out, can you confirm that Scene It! controllers are not supported?

They are not.

Re: Usage of upcoming Scene It! controller

pcoxall — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:35:38 GMT

Now that GSE 2.0 is out, can you confirm that Scene It! controllers are not supported?

Thanks, Patrick

Re: Usage of upcoming Scene It! controller

Jim Perry — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:18:12 GMT

Shawn Hargreaves:
"The XNA Framework: struggling with the pitfalls of native code so that you won't have to" :-)

I'm gonna have to put this in my signature! :)

Re: Usage of upcoming Scene It! controller

Shawn Hargreaves — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:33:23 GMT

The ZMan:
a new controller type that uses a different API (which probably means it too won't work in windows)... not the XNA teams fault I know but very inconsistent and frustrating.

On the plus side, at least when we finally do get this support into the XNA Framework, we'll be sure to give you a consistent API no matter what input device you are talking to.

"The XNA Framework: struggling with the pitfalls of native code so that you won't have to" :-)