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Re: Where are creators from?

Blakhouse — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:05:13 GMT

jupp as you said doc got the thing backwards. Kinda annoying that it dosnt make a difference if i am a creator now or not due to the fact that my games can be purchased by friends due to not beeing open for cc games in sweden yet.

sorry

Re: Where are creators from?

Spyn Doctor — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:16:18 GMT

This thread is about where creators are from. And Sweden is already on the list of countries that are allowed to publish community games. The survey here is outdated. When it was created, only the six countries listed above where among the "supported" countries. The list of supported countries has since been extended to 11 countries at the current time, with another 3 to be added on Dec. 15th. Currently supported are US, Canada, UK, Ireland, France, Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway and Sweden. To be joined on the 15th by Australia, New Zealand and Singapore.
Or did you mean that you want to be able to buy community games (=consumers' side)? Wrong thread in that case... :-)

Doc

Re: Where are creators from?

Blakhouse — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:03:55 GMT

please please please add sweden to the list!!! WE want community games we NEED community games. =)
Also that we have 3 games in the xna pipe make me want CC even more.

The xbox 360 will be the best.

Better hurry up guys i will send for you!!! Johan Lindfors go johan fight for sweden!!!! = )

btw http://gameawardswarmup.se/competition_entries/181 small xna game for windows no source. Just executables ( warmup challange 7 days swedish competition. 80's theme both in artstyle and gameplay )

Re: Where are creators from?

Sharky NZ — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:47:18 GMT

StatusUnknown:

I'm from New Zealand, and no, I don't cry myself to sleep at night ;-)

YAY another New Zealander!

G'day mate!

Re: Where are creators from?

Runway 360 — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:19:47 GMT

Thank you, Sean. I couldn't help asking once again about the question I had been mulling over. It seems it was all sorted out.

Please delete my message sent over the Live.

Thank you indeed.

Re: Where are creators from?

StatusUnknown — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:16:49 GMT

I'm from New Zealand, and no, I don't cry myself to sleep at night ;-)

Re: Where are creators from?

Jenkmeister — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:57:32 GMT

Yes, Japanese and Australian creators who speak one of those languages will be able to peer review.

Re: Where are creators from?

Runway 360 — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:49:03 GMT

Jenkmeister:

Re: Reviewing Game - any premium member who can speak the language of the game binary (English, Spanish, Italian, French) will be able to review. Country is not a limiting factor in peer review, it's the language that matters.

So, premium members who are outside the initial countries (Japanese and Australians for example) can participate in peer-review from ~~November 19~~ [EDIT: October 30 at earliest], can't they?

Re: Where are creators from?

Jenkmeister — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:59:39 GMT

Population size of a country isn't something we spend a lot of time reviewing. Subscribers from countries, potential sale of games from those countries is much more important. Keep working on that game and we'll work to get Denmark in as soon as possible... ;)

Re: Where are creators from?

Arcane Labs — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:36:57 GMT

Re: Initial countries chosen - As I said, there are a lot of reasons for what we've chosen. It's high on our priority list to get as many countries submitting as possible as soon as possible.

Thanks for the clarification. But damn that is really disappointing since we have a project in the making which is on track for a launch release, which we now unfortunately have to keep laying around until Denmark finally gets allowed access. Which given the country size is bloody unlikely to be soon :/ Oh well at least it's damn fun to make so its not all bad, I just wish we where allowed to get in from the start.

Re: Where are creators from?

Jenkmeister — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:08:39 GMT

Re: Unknown Location - yes, we have a large portion of registered users where we don't know where they are from.

Re: Premium members - I don't have those numbers and I'm pretty sure even if I did, I wouldn't be allowed to share those. That's business intelligence that we will base plans on.

Re: Initial countries chosen - As I said, there are a lot of reasons for what we've chosen. It's high on our priority list to get as many countries submitting as possible as soon as possible.

Re: Reviewing Game - any premium member who can speak the language of the game binary (English, Spanish, Italian, French) will be able to review. Country is not a limiting factor in peer review, it's the language that matters.

Re: Where are creators from?

The ZMan — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:34:03 GMT

Unarmed:
Personally I was surprised by these numbers and even more so by the countries chosen for the live community launch list and the apparent fact that paying premium members from countries outside the list apparently can't publish their games when it goes live (btw can someone confirm this?).

I wondered about the reason for the initial chosen countries... but when I was told the reason it made sense given they knew they would have to limit the countries on day 1 due do how long it takes to handle each country.... I think it was in an NDA chat though so I won't repeat and will leave it up to Sean.

You are correct that the currently announced countries are the limit for submitting, and distributing.... Microsoft are working hard on adding others but nothing is yet announced.

I think ANY premium member can review though no matter which country - Sean is that right?

Re: Where are creators from?

Arcane Labs — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:56:25 GMT

I hope that some fairly reliable method of detection is used for these stats. If some simple 'web vistor country of origin' scheme is used I would suspect that quite a lot of these 'country hits' are invalid as forexample most of the time my hits will be tracked to UK even though the real country is DK and similar situations are probably the case for many others too.

I would also be interested in knowing if these are creators club premium members which we can assume are those likely to submit games for the platform in the near future or if its just members in general.

One could assume that the data for premium members only would be more accurate as well as it means you would at least have had a credit card to pay for it which fairly easily could be used to detect the country of origin with a fair degree of accuracy.

Personally I was surprised by these numbers and even more so by the countries chosen for the live community launch list and the apparent fact that paying premium members from countries outside the list apparently can't publish their games when it goes live (btw can someone confirm this?).

Re: Where are creators from?

ajmiles — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:45:24 GMT

So the top 5 countries total 93% of registered users, but only 63% of visits. Assuming Brazil is the 5th highest country, there must be about another 37 countries each on about 1%, but surely this number would tail off to sub 1% numbers pretty quickly meaning far more countries are represented. Perhaps there's a large percentage that are of an unknown location?

Re: Where are creators from?

Jenkmeister — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 05:58:20 GMT

(Data from Oct 1-20 2008)

There are a few different stats that we have. One is the location of registered users where we can detect where they are from. Here's the top 5:

USA: 56%
UK: 28%
Canada: 5%
Germany: 3%
Australia: 1%

(all the other countries are <= 1% each)

In terms of visitors to the site in general, including anonymous:

USA: 42%
UK: 9%
Canada: 5%
Germany: 4.5%
Brazil: 2.3%

These are just two of many, many stats we use as we look at what countries we will support in submission and marketplace distribution. In the vast majority of cases, it's about the legal and ratings boards we need to work through and then making sure our site can handle that language.

Also, none of the stats above indicate what percentage of users are premium creators club members. That also has a significant impact on what we'll do where and when. That infomation, I don't actually have (before you ask ;-)